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Thomas Scudder m. Abigail Clark

Daphne Stassin (View posts)
Posted: 31 May 2001 3:41PM GMT
I am searching for information on Thomas Scudder who married Abigail Clark in April, 1773. When and where was he born? Who were his parents? Please post your reply on the Scudder Message Board. Thank you. Daphne Newman Stassin

Thomas and Abigail

Dan (View posts)
Posted: 2 Jun 2001 12:06AM GMT
Ancestors of Thomas II Scudder


Generation No. 1

1. Thomas II Scudder, born 1745 in Elizabethtown, Essex, Nj; died February 20, 1828 in Green, Pennsylvania. He was the son of 2. Thomas I Scudder and 3. Sarah Rogers?. He married (1) Abigail Clark April 05, 1773 in New Providence, Nj.

Children of Thomas Scudder and Abigail Clark are:
i.Ruth Scudder.
ii.Clark Scudder.
iii.Daniel Clark Scudder.
iv.Jotham Scudder.
v.Abigail Scudder.
vi.Sarah Scudder, born 1775; died July 26, 1819; married Nathaniel Jennings September 30, 1793.
vii.Jane Scudder, born September 24, 1789.


Generation No. 2

2. Thomas I Scudder, born 1706 in Elizabethtown, Union, Nj; died January 08, 1761 in Rahway, Essex, Nj. He was the son of 4. John III Scudder and 5. Mary Pack. He married 3. Sarah Rogers? 1731 in Essex, Nj.
3. Sarah Rogers?, born 1708; died April 10, 1784 in New Providence, Essex, Nj.


Generation No. 3

4. John III Scudder, born 1674 in Newtown, Suffolk, Long Island, Ny; died January 15, 1738/39 in Elizabethtown, Union County, Nj. He was the son of 8. John II Scudder and 9. Joanna Betts. He married 5. Mary Pack Abt. 1700 in Westfield, Essex, Nj.
5. Mary Pack, born November 02, 1665 in Elizabethtown, Essex, Nj; died April 10, 1784 in New Providence, Nj.

Thomas and Abigail Clark Scudder

Daphne Newman Stassin (View posts)
Posted: 3 Jun 2001 3:16PM GMT
Dan, thank you for your prompt response. The information I have is based upon the August 1966 Scudder Association Bulletin, which states that Thomas and Abigail had 8 children: Sarah, Jotham, Abigail, Ruth, Jane, Mary(Polly), James, and Daniel. I am descended from Mary (Polly), b, 1797, who married Jehu Chadwick on Oct.11, 1812. They had 9 children, including Lydia Chadwick b. 1832, who married Jefferson Jackson (JJ) Newman. They were my great grandparents, and had 11 children. Polly was born in New Jersey, moved to Pennsylvania with her parents, where she married Jehu, and migrated from Fayette Couty, PA to Green County, WI in 1837. The Chadwicks and Newmans formed part of the early settler farming 'elite' in south central Wisconsin.
I am trying to trace Polly's Scudder roots. You do not include her among the progeny of Thomas Scudder II. Any ideas? Daphne

Mary "Polly" Scudder

Dan (View posts)
Posted: 3 Jun 2001 3:39PM GMT
Yes, here is some info on ancestors. I would appreciate ANY info you are willing to share on Thomas and his descendants! Daniel
PS. I have more...
Ancestors of Mary "Polly" Scudder
Generation No. 1

1. Mary "Polly" Scudder, born 1797 in New Jersey; died in Green County, WI. She was the daughter of 2. Thomas II Scudder and 3. Abigail Clark. She married (1) Jehu Chadwick October 11, 1812 in Fayette Couty, PA.

Child of Mary Scudder and Jehu Chadwick is:
i.Lydia Chadwick, born 1832; married Jefferson Jackson "JJ" Newman.


Generation No. 2

2. Thomas II Scudder, born 1745 in Elizabethtown, Essex, Nj; died February 20, 1828 in Green, Pennsylvania. He was the son of 4. Thomas I Scudder and 5. Sarah Rogers?. He married 3. Abigail Clark April 05, 1773 in New Providence, Nj.
3. Abigail Clark, born 1756.

Children of Thomas Scudder and Abigail Clark are:
i.Ruth Scudder.
ii.Clark Scudder.
iii.Daniel Clark Scudder.
iv.Jotham Scudder.
v.Abigail Scudder.
vi.Sarah Scudder, born 1775; died July 26, 1819; married Nathaniel Jennings September 30, 1793.
vii.Jane Scudder, born September 24, 1789.
1 viii.Mary "Polly" Scudder, born 1797 in New Jersey; died in Green County, WI; married Jehu Chadwick October 11, 1812 in Fayette Couty, PA.
ix.James Scudder.


Generation No. 3

4. Thomas I Scudder, born 1706 in Elizabethtown, Union, Nj; died January 08, 1761 in Rahway, Essex, Nj. He was the son of 8. John III Scudder and 9. Mary Pack. He married 5. Sarah Rogers? 1731 in Essex, Nj.
5. Sarah Rogers?, born 1708; died April 10, 1784 in New Providence, Essex, Nj.

Children of Thomas Scudder and Sarah Rogers? are:
i.John I Scudder, born 1732 in Rahway, Essex, New Jersey; died January 20, 1757 in Rahway, Essex, New Jersey.
ii.David Scudder, born Abt. 1733 in Essex, New Jersey; died 1785 in Essex, New Jersey.
iii.James Scudder, born 1734 in Essex, New Jersey.
iv.Elias Scudder, born 1736 in Essex, New Jersey; died June 23, 1750 in Rahway, Essex, New Jersey.
v.Richard Scudder, born May 09, 1742 in Essex, New Jersey; died December 24, 1785 in Scotch Plains, Essex, New Jersey; married Rebecca "Stiles" Stites January 31, 1764 in Woodbridge, Middlesex Co., New Jersey.
vi.Eliphalet Scudder, born 1743 in Rahway, Essex, New Jersey; died June 17, 1751.
2 vii.Thomas II Scudder, born 1745 in Elizabethtown, Essex, Nj; died February 20, 1828 in Green, Pennsylvania; married Abigail Clark April 05, 1773 in New Providence, Nj.
viii.Sarah Scudder, born Abt. 1746.


Generation No. 4

8. John III Scudder, born 1674 in Newtown, Suffolk, Long Island, Ny; died January 15, 1738/39 in Elizabethtown, Union County, Nj. He was the son of 16. John II Scudder and 17. Joanna Betts. He married 9. Mary Pack Abt. 1700 in Westfield, Essex, Nj.
9. Mary Pack, born November 02, 1665 in Elizabethtown, Essex, Nj; died April 10, 1784 in New Providence, Nj.

Children of John Scudder and Mary Pack are:
i.John IV (Capt) Scudder, born 1700 in Elizabethtown, Essex, Nj; died February 26, 1777 in Westfield, Essex, Nj; married (1) Jane Davis; married (2) Sarah January 20, 1733/34.
ii.Anna Scudder, born 1701 in Elizabethtown, Essex, Nj; died April 16, 1762 in Westfield, Essex, Nj; married (1) Ephraim Marsh; married (2) Capt Thomas Woodruff December 06, 1753.
iii.Richard Betts Scudder, born 1702 in Piscataway, Middlesex Co., New Jersey; died December 24, 1785 in Scotch Plains, Middlesex Co., New Jersey; married Sarah Abt. 1727 in Nj.
iv.Samuel I (Deacon) Scudder, born 1704 in Westfield, Essex, Nj; died Bef. August 15, 1777 in New Jersey; married (1) Phebe Miller Abt. 1729; married (2) Apphia Miller Aft. 1761.
v.Mary Scudder, born 1706 in Westfield, Essex, Nj; died December 09, 1805 in Westfield, Essex, Nj; married Jonathan I Marsh Abt. 1725 in Westfield, Essex, Nj.
4 vi.Thomas I Scudder, born 1706 in Elizabethtown, Union, Nj; died January 08, 1761 in Rahway, Essex, Nj; married Sarah Rogers? 1731 in Essex, Nj.
vii.Elizabeth Scudder, born Abt. 1708 in Elizabethtown, Essex, Nj.
viii.Kesiah Scudder, born Abt. 1710 in Elizabethtown, Essex, Nj.
ix.Joanna Scudder, born Abt. 1714 in Elizabethtown, Essex, Nj.
x.Phebe Scudder, born Abt. 1716 in Westfield, Essex, New Jersey, u.S.a.; died Aft. 1758 in New Jersey, u.S.a.; married Eliphalet II Frazee Abt. 1731 in New Jersey, u.S.a..


Generation No. 5

16. John II Scudder, born 1645 in Salem, Massachusettes; died December 01, 1732 in Newtown, Queens County, New York. He was the son of 32. John I Scudder and 33. Mary King. He married 17. Joanna Betts April 20, 1669 in Newtown, Li, Ny.
17. Joanna Betts, born Abt. 1650 in Newtown, Queens County, New York; died March 16, 1710/11 in Newtown, Queens, Ny.

Children of John Scudder and Joanna Betts are:
i.Moses Scudder.
ii.Richard Betts Scudder, born 1671 in Maspeth Kills, Newtown, Li, Ny; died March 14, 1754 in Scudder Falls, Hunterdon, Njj; married Hannah (Stillwell?) Reeder 1691 in Newtown, Long Island, Ny.
8 iii.John III Scudder, born 1674 in Newtown, Suffolk, Long Island, Ny; died January 15, 1738/39 in Elizabethtown, Union County, Nj; married Mary Pack Abt. 1700 in Westfield, Essex, Nj.

Polly Scudder and Jehu Chadwick

Daphne Newman Stassin (View posts)
Posted: 4 Jun 2001 11:49AM GMT
Hi Dan, Thank you for your prompt and comprehebsive reply. It filled in the missing link that the Scudder Family Association genealogists provided my mother in 1966. She had traced that branch of her family back to Thomas Scudder and Abigail
Clark, and the association placed John 111 Scudder b. 1674 as the father of Thomas I, thereby skipping a generation! I am so excited!! I only wish that my mother were alive to share in this information.

I compared your info with wht the August 1966 Scudder Family Bulletin printed, and found that 1)Clark Scudder was not mentioned as the son of Thomas Scudde and Abigail Clark. Abigail is listed as dying in 1846. 2) John III Scudder married Mary Peck in 1784. Is her surname Peck or Pack? 3)Moses is not listed as the son of John and Joanna Betts - only Richard Betts and John.

I have some questions for you: 1)Do you have access to the Scudder Association Bulletins? If so, was the last issue printed in December 1978? That is the last issue in the Wisconsin State Historical Society stacks. 2) Is the association still in existence? I can't find any information about it now. Mother was a member, and took a trip to England to meet Scudder cousins, which was sponsorerd and organized by the association in 1979. I still have all of her information about it.

I do have some information on the descendents of Lydia Chadwick and JJ Newman, but it is far from complete as of now. They had 11 children, 9 of whom lived to adulthood. I have the only known photo of JJ and Lydia and their 9 children. I am going to work on that this month. One small part, which traces the line to me, is in the August 1966 bulletin. If you do not have access to it, I will be glad to share it with you.

The Scudder bulletins repeatedly made mention of the fact that much research remained to be done in filling in the missing links, and I can see that they were so right!

Thanks again, Daphne

Scudder Association

Dan (View posts)
Posted: 4 Jun 2001 5:55PM GMT
No, I am no member of the association. As a matter of fact, I myself do NOT care for them, their organization or their genealogy. They are the most confusing people to get any useful info from, especially when it comes to one particular Scudder. They have MANY so called "missing" links, and I am going to find them one at a time until I am bored with it. I do not see that anytime soon as I am fairly young, family oriented, looking for a suitable religion and really losing my faith in the traditional saying that "blood is thicker than water"! That is so UNTRUE! I am not sure what I sent you, but I have a vast amount of Scudder info, gathering more everday, every hour and new info is gathered on various Scudder connections. Watch for my updated site to be released as soon as my present file is GED ready. I appreciate ANY and ALL information submitted to me on ANY descendant of the following surnames: Plantagenet, de Bohun, Talbot, Scudder, Hart, Parkhurst, Rogers, Platt(Pratt), House(Howes), Blood, Golden and Brookfield. Who were the missing parents that connected you? Daniel
Posted: 5 Jun 2001 10:07AM GMT
Edited: 18 Jun 2003 7:46PM GMT
dau Charity m Chicester of Moses. I an tring to connectI have old family notes. back but I don't think they are right. My notes are good back Moses b 1761 to Johnathan b ca. 1737 to Moses b 1710 to Benjamin d 1735 to Thomas. Can you help and conferm.

Scudder missing link

Daphne Newman Stassin (View posts)
Posted: 5 Jun 2001 1:17PM GMT
I know nothing about the Scudder family Association other than the fact that my mother was a member for approximately 15 years. When I was younger, I could not have cared less about genealogy. I am a European history professor, and genealogy conjures up images to me of little old ladies babbling on about their ancestors, and white descendents of Thomas Jefferson in denial about their revered ancestor having engaged in 'miscegenation'. However, recent events in my life have changed all that. Mother died, and I have moved home to rural Wisconsin, where I have inherited the family farm, and discovered that other members of my mother's family know nothing about their ancestors, and the role they played in the early history of this area. As a historian, I am very troubled by this, and have decided to finish my mother's genealogical research, and do further research on the history of rural south central Wisconsin, put my ancestors within this context, and write a short history. I see the Scudders, Chadwicks, Baileys, Boyles, Mortons, and a few other families as the embodiment of the move to south central Wisconsin from New England, New York and New Jersey that transformed this area.

And I would agree with you about the many missing links I found in my very cursory look through the Scudder bulletins last week. The one that you solved for me was Thomas I Scudder b. 1706, m. Sarah Rogers in 1731. The Scudder association gave Mother JohnIIIScudder b.1674 as the father of ThomasII Scudder b.1745. John died in 1738/9! They weren't too careful with their dates.

Polly Scudder and Jehu Chadwick had 9 children, one of whom was Elizabeth, b.June 19,1835. She married JJ Newman in1853. I own part of their farm. They had 11 childrren, one of whom was my grandfather, Frank Elliot Newman, b. Sept 3, 1869, d.May 19, 1933. He married Bessie Morton b. Aug 7, 1882 in 1899. They had 3 children, one of whom was my mother Florence Ellen Newman Stassin b. March 13,1907, d. May 1998. She married George Nikolai Stassin(opoulos) in 1936.
Once I put the descendents of Polly and Jehu together, I will send them to you. Thank you again. Daphne Newman Stassin

P.S. The only published research on the Scudders that I have found is in the State Historical Society: the bulletins of the family association, and a book on the Scudders in the American Revolution by Hamilton Cochran.

Welcome

Dan (View posts)
Posted: 6 Jun 2001 7:59PM GMT
Lady Daphne,
I am glad I was of help. May I ask you a few questions? Since you are a European History person, are you familiar with the Plantagenets, Greys, Braose, Butler, Talbot, Bohun and Taillefers? Do you know much on the history of notables from say 800-1600? Are you familiar with Oxford, Cambridge Universities in England? Dan

Scudders and others

Daphne Newman Stassin (View posts)
Posted: 8 Jun 2001 8:46AM GMT
Thanks for the title! My field is actually modern European history, but I am familiar with the Greys and Plantagenets. I also am somewhat familiar with Oxford and Cambridge Universities. If you will please tell me what it is you are looking for, I might be able to help you in some way; for example, give you names of people or sources which could assist you. Daphne
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