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Mary Mayall c.1765 Hey, Yorkshire, England m. Joseph Ogden in Saddleworth, Yorkshire

Mary Mayall c.1765 Hey, Yorkshire, England m. Joseph Ogden in Saddleworth, Yorkshire

Kathryn Horsfall (View posts)
Posted: 19 Jul 2005 12:00AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 27 Jul 2005 3:24PM GMT
Surnames: Mayall, Ogden, Greave, Gartside, buckley
Hi,

I'm trying to trace Mary Mayall who married Joseph Ogden on the 17th October 1799 in Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England.

They had 5 children in Hey near Oldham in Lancashire:

John Ogden (1800 - died 1873)
Adam Ogden (1802 - died 1860)
Edward Ogden (1804)
Robert Ogden (1805 - drowned in lodge in 1854)
Samuel Ogden (1807 - married Sarah Buckley - died 1881)

Mary Mayall Ogden died 1839 and Joseph Ogden died in 1830.

She is possibly the daughter of Robert Mayall of Saddleworth, son of John Mayall and Joanna Gartside of Saddleworth though she is a bit too young as Robert Mayall and his wife Mary Greave would have to have children from 1730 - 1765 so perhaps she is their granddaughter?

Any additional information about Mary Mayall would be greatly appreciated,

Hope to hear some news soon!
Kathryn Horsfall

Re: Mary Mayall c.1765 Hey, Yorkshire, England m. Joseph Ogden in Saddleworth, Yorkshire

Posted: 27 Jan 2007 1:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Mayall, Greave, Wrigley
Hi Kathryn,

I have some details on this family, including a very informative MI.

I THOUGHT your Mary (born 1767)was the daughter of Mary Mayall (born 1741), she in her turn is the daughter of Joseph and Sarah Mayall of Hangingbank.

The only refrence I have to Mary daughter of Mary is a will of Joseph. so it is very tenues.

I do know that Robert Mayall and his wife Mary (Greave) had a daughter Mary, born in 1745, she married Benjamin Wrigley in 1770.

I would be very interested in swoping info to try and sort out this problem.

All the best,
Colin
Colinmcinnes@btopenworld.com

Re: Mary Mayall c.1765 Hey, Yorkshire, England m. Joseph Ogden in Saddleworth, Yorkshire

Posted: 27 Jan 2007 10:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Mayall, Greave
Hi Colin,

I haven't heard about the Mary Mayall daughter of Mary Mayall before.

I did find the Mary Mayall daughter of Robert Mayall and Mary Greave born 1745, but on the IGI there's also a Mary Mayall daughter of Robert Mayall and Mary christened the 13th Oct 1765 in Lees in Lancashire.

I found the following children born of Robert Mayall and Mary:

Joseph (c. 1730 in Saddleworth)
John (c. 1731 in Saddleworth)
Joanna (c. 1733 in Saddleworth)
Thomas (c. 1735 in Saddleworth)
Miles (c. 1737 in Saddleworth)
James (c. 1741 in Saddleworth)
Ben (c. 1743 in Saddleworth)
Mary (c. 1745 in Saddleworth)
Samuel (c. 1747 in Saddleworth)
Abner (c. 1750 in Saddleworth)
Robert (c. 1759 in Saddleworth)
John (c. 1763 in Hey, Lancashire)
Mary (c. 1765 in Lees, Lancashire)

The problem is I'm not sure whether these are all children of Robert Mayall and Mary Greave (who married in 1731 in Saddleworth) or whether the younger children (perhaps Robert, John and Mary) are children of a different Robert Mayall and Mary.

My Mary Mayall was definately born c. 1765 as she married in 1799 and had 5 sons (one of whom was named Robert)and died on the 1st March 1839 (though I haven't yet bought her death certificate to find her approximate age at time of death). She can't be the Mary born c. 1745 as she'd have been 54 by the time she got married, and unlikely to have one child past then let alone 5.

On the IGI there's also a Mary Mayall christened 1st August 1764 in Oldham daughter of James and Sarah Mayall. There's also a Mary Mayall christened 23rd August 1767 daughter of Joshua Mayall and Fanny Lees.

Unfortunately there seem to be a lot of Mayalls in this area!

How are you descended from the Mayalls?

Kind Regards,
Kathryn

Re: Mary Mayall c.1765 Hey, Yorkshire, England m. Joseph Ogden in Saddleworth, Yorkshire

Posted: 28 Jan 2007 2:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Mayall, Ogden, Lawton, Newton, Wrigley
Hi Kathryn,

First the easy bit, I descend (through my mother) from the mayalls of Hanging Bank Robert Mayall who married Betty Lawton at St Mary Prestwich in 1801.

Mary christened 1st August 1764 James and Sarah, of Hangingbang, she married Joshua Newton in 1790.

Mary, 23 Aug 1767 dau of Joshua and Fanny, of Glodwick buried 29 Oct 1767.

I have hunted my notes for
Mary 13 oct 1765 Robert and Mary, and canot find her birth location, I also have a stray Hannah to Robert and Mary on 2 Aug 1778.
I will look at St John Hey records to see if there are more details (ie Location, Occupation)
I suspect these also tag onto the same family.
Robert (c. 1759 in Saddleworth)
John (c. 1763 in Hey, Lancashire)

It is a long time since I looked at this group, and a lot more has come on line. I think I once looked at these, but could not find them. Some are patrons submissions rather than Parish record transcripts, so are hard to tie down.

Your list of children misses of a few kids, including a Robert born 1737. I also know what happened to the first son John
St Annes Lydgate
MI58
Benjamin Wrigley of Lidgate who died 12 july 1820 in 50th year
Also John Mayall who died Feb 21 1826 in 96 year of age.

It is very hard to but all this in context, but if you want to contact me of this forum, at colinmcinnes@btopenworld.com I can give you lots of info. but I would prefer to attach it to an email rather than type it all out again.

You mention about the death of Mary in 1839, perhaps you have seen this grave or perhaps not?

138 Altar Style
In Memory of / JOSEPH OGDEN, of Hey, who departed this / Life Decr 24th 1830, in the 61st Year of his Age. / Also MARY, his Wife who departed this Life / March 1st 1839, in the 74th Year of her Age. / Also HANNAH, Wife of ADAM OGDEN, of / Hey, who died May 28th 1834, in the 40th / Year of her Age. Also the said ADAM / OGDEN, who died April 16th 1860, in / the 58th Year of his Age. / Also ROBERT, Son of JOSEPH and MARY / OGDEN, who departed this Life May 11th / 1854, in the 50th Year of his Age. / Also SAMUEL OGDEN, of Whams, youngest / Son of the above named JOSEPH and / MARY OGDEN, who died December 8th 1881 / Aged 74 Years. Also SARAH, Wife of the said / SAMUEL OGDEN, who died April 2nd 1892, Aged / 77 Years.
In Loving Memory of / ANN, Daughter of the late JOHN OGDEN, of Salem / and Granddaughter of the above JOSEPH and MARY / OGDEN, who died December 29th 1886, in the 61st / Year of her Age.
The following was added to this gravestone after Higson made his transcription:

Also SAMUEL the beloved / Husband of SARAH OGDEN, / who died September 13th / 1925, Aged 42 years / Also the above named / SARAH OGDEN who died June / 22nd 1951 Aged 67 years.
South
In Memory of / JOSEPH, Son of / SAMUEL and SARAH OGDEN, / who died Jan. 25 1837 AE 5 Mons. / Also HARRIET, their / Daughter, who departed / this Life Sepr 10th 1863, in / the 19th Year of her Age. / Also SAMUEL, their / Son who died / November 7th / 1866, in the 15th Year / of his Age. / Also a second Son, JOSEPH / who died Decr 8th 1884, in the / 47th Year of his Age.
North
In Loving memory of / EMILY / the beloved Wife of / THOMAS OGDEN / who died December 1st 1884, / in the 35th Year of her Age. / Also EDITH EMILY, their Daughter, / who died November 28th 1885, / Aged 12 Months. / In Loving Memory of / EDIE / Daughter of THOMAS and HANNAH OGDEN / who died September 5th 1891, / Aged 1 Year and 9 Months.
The following was added to this gravestone after Higson made his transcription:
East
In Loving Memory of / MARTHA ANN, / the beloved wife of / ADAM OGDEN / who died September 1st 1926 / Aged 67 years / Also the aforesaid / ADAM OGDEN / who died July 29th 1929 / Aged 75 years
West
In Loving Memory of / THOMAS / son of / SAMUEL & SARAH OGDEN / who died May 16th 1920 / Aged 72 years / Also HANNAH his wife / who died Feby 13th 1922 / Aged 69 years

burials As listed on Grave MI
29/12/1830OGDEN Joseph Dowry Oldham 61 Hey St John
06/03/1839OGDEN Mary Lees Ashton 73 Hey St John
31/05/1834OGDEN Hannah Hey Chapel Ashton 40 Hey St John
20/04/1860OGDEN Adam Huddersfield 57 Hey St John
17/05/1854OGDEN Robert Den Lane, Saddleworth 49 Hey St John
14/12/1881OGDEN Samuel Whams, Hey 74 Hey St John
SARAH is not on my burial index. MY INDEX stops at 1887
03/01/1887OGDEN Ann Salem Oldham 60 Hey St John
28/01/1837OGDEN Joseph New Road Side Saddleworth 6m Hey St John
15/09/1863OGDEN Harriet Whams, Saddleworth 18 Hey St John
10/11/1866OGDEN Samuel Whams, Saddleworth 14 Hey St John
11/12/1884OGDEN Joseph Wharms Hey 46 Hey St John
05/12/1884OGDEN Emily Lees 34 Hey St John
02/12/1885OGDEN Edith Emily Lees Brook 1 Hey St John

This is now getting a bit long as a posting so I will leave it. Sory it is all so negative.

Hope to here from you soon

Colin McInnes


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