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Rasheta

Posted: 3 Jul 2001 3:28AM GMT
Classification: Biography
Surnames: rasheta
My grandfather's name was Elie Gavre Rasheta. He was from Yugoslavia, a town called Lika (or close to Lika) I think.

Re: Rasheta

Posted: 3 Jul 2001 6:43AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 28 Nov 2002 5:11PM GMT
There is a Gavre RASETA, sounds like rrrashata, from Sapar listed as ethnic Croatian and an Ilija, sounds like eeleeya, RASETA, from Sapar. They both came September 25, 1903 Havre to Ellis Island. HOWEVER this info is from the transcribed info as the original manifest was not available tonight. From experience I have found all sorts of problems with the transcribed info, IE mis-spelling, etc.. So you should go to the Ellis site and try to view the original when it is available. These two names were listed on seperate lines so one can only assume they were different people and not the same person. Also it is very uncommon for Croatians or others in Croatia to have middle names, typically they have a given name at birth and a confirmation name. Yet I see people searching for people with both first and middle name. You will most likely find records where they came from which will have just a first name, except in church confirmation records when they received a confirmation name.

There is however one POSSIBLITY for towns and that is Lapac. The largest number, 21, of RASETA are listed in Licko-Senjska zupanija (Lika-Senj County) in the online phone books. And the largest number in that county are from Donji Lapac meaning Lower Lapac. Perhaps the transcriber misread the ship manifest and instead of Sapar perhaps it is Lapac. There simply does not appear to be a Sapar, in fact the only reference I found was to the Middle East. But until one can look at the original manifest....

Also the surname RASETA would appear to perhaps be of Vlaci origins. That was a group found throughout that part of Europe and many of that background settled in Lika when the Austrian Crown took control from the Croatian civil authorities and established The Militär Grenze or Military Frontier in that region. They are thought to have originated in the area that is now Bulgaria. But this is only a guess based on what I hear in the name.

Lika is a region and is IN CROATIA not Serbia! I know of no town called Lika, however there are some towns which contain the word Licki or Licko , IE Novi Licki (meaning New Lika) which is derived from the region Lika. There are/were a fair number of Serbs in that region though and many people mistakenly get the impression that it is in Serbia, it has been in Croatia for many centuries and never has been a part of Serbia. Records such as church and municipal records will be found at the local parish or in the National Archives in Zagreb. Also the LDS Church has microfilmed many parish records which are available at a Family History Center near you. You can check to see if they have filmed records for whatever town/village these folks came from.

Here is a link to a Croatia genealogy forum from other RASETAs

http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?forum=croat...

Also there were news accounts of a couple of RASETAs having been killed during the fighting in the Lika region in the 1990s.

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Appleby in Rijeka, Croatia has a good genealogy page:

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Links to organizations Associated with FEEFHS from 14 Countries, inc. Croatia:

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1910 Hungarian County Maps, inc. areas of Croatia and Slavonia (site is in Hungarian but maps are useful)
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History of German Settlements in Southern Hungary (inc. Croatia)

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Re: Rasheta

Posted: 11 Jun 2002 6:43PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello distant relative. Elie Gavre Rasheta was my great grandfather. The family comes from a town called Donja Lupka Lika (not sure about spelling). My Great uncle Richard has a copy of his birth certificate in cerilic (russian spelling). I have asked for a copy, but as usual, Uncle Richard is a little slow at responding. He is, however, a wealth of information about the family. He still lives in the house, farm that they lived on. Elie was the father of my grandfather Nicholas Rasheta. The eldest son of that family. I am just beginning research of this side of my family. My grandfather, Nicholas (son of Elie and Gertrude Rasheta) died very young in 1950 or 1951. He left behind 4 children, one being my mother. I know he had sibilings, but not sure of who and how many. I know there was Violet and Richard. There is also another sister for sure, but beyond that I'm not sure. Please contact me if you can fill in any gaps, it would be very appreciated and information will be equally shared. Thank you,
Judith

Re: Rasheta

Posted: 11 Jun 2002 7:50PM GMT
Classification: Query
Not sure if my other email reached you. Just in case not. Elie Rasheta was my great grand father. His son Nicholas was my grandfather who died in 1950-51. The Rasheta's come from a town in Yugoslavia called Donja Lupka Lika (not sure of spelling). A family member of mine (his, yours) has a copy of his birth certificate in cyrillic. I am just beginning research on this side of my family. I would love to exchange info. Please email me at juuditt@hotmail.com

Thank you
Judith

Re: Rasheta

Posted: 13 Jun 2002 3:38AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 28 Nov 2002 5:11PM GMT
Hello Judith,

The cyrilic is Serbian not Russian. In a previous posting I gave a link to a page which will help you translate the Serbian Cyrillic into English.

Also Lika is in Croatia (has been since about 925) but their is a substantial Orthodox/Serbian population in that area. Also the town is perhaps DONJI LAPAC (sounds like donyee lopats donji means lower)

There are several 24 listings for RAS"ETA (sounds like rasheta) in that area here are listings from the current Croatia phone book online There is a v over the S giving it a SH sound.
01. RASETA ANA Rudanovac, Rudanovac 12A (+385) 53 776 549
02. RASETA ANDRIJA Donji Lapac, Trg dr. Franje Tudjmana 7 (+385) 53 765 385
03. RASETA ANDRIJA Gajine, Gajine 3 (+385) 53 765 268
04. RASETA BOSILJKA Donji Lapac, Ante Starcevica 67 (+385) 53 765 306
05. RASETA DARINKA Frkasic, Frkasic 29 (+385) 53 759 001
06. RASETA DjORDjE Donji Lapac, Ante Starcevica 17 (+385) 53 765 434
07. RASETA GAVRE Donji Lapac, Ante Starcevica 23 (+385) 53 765 247
08. RASETA ILIJA Donji Lapac, Ante Starcevica 10 (+385) 53 765 412
09. RASETA MARJANA Donji Lapac, Ante Starcevica 39A (+385) 53 765 411
10. RASETA MILAN Donji Lapac, 9.Gardijske brigade 39 (+385) 53 765 103
11. RASETA MILAN Donji Lapac, Ante Starcevica 37 (+385) 53 765 129
12. RASETA MILAN Donji Lapac, Bjelovarska 13 (+385) 53 765 376
13. RASETA MILAN Gajine, Gajine 2 (+385) 53 765 283
14. RASETA MILAN Gajine, Gajine 6 (+385) 53 765 353
15. RASETA MILE Donji Lapac, Ante Starcevica 49 (+385) 53 765 330
16. RASETA MIRA Dnopolje, Dnopolje 57 (+385) 53 765 059
17. RASETA MIRA Donji Lapac, Trg dr. Franje Tudjmana 7 (+385) 53 765 038
18. RASETA NEDJELJKA Frkasic, Frkasic 27 (+385) 53 759 002
19. RASETA NEVENKA Donji Lapac, S.S. Kranjcevica 7A (+385) 53 765 052
20. RASETA NIKOLA Donji Lapac, Ante Starcevica 12 (+385) 53 765 219
21. RASETA NIKOLA Donji Lapac, Ante Starcevica 93 (+385) 53 765 436
22. RASETA SAVA Gajine, Gajine 84 (+385) 53 765 269
23. RASETA SAVKA Donji Lapac, Bujadnice 162 (+385) 53 765 416
24. RASETA SIMO Gajine, Gajine 9 (+385) 53 765 414

The Family History Center (LDS Church) near you can order microfilm records which you can rent for about $3 You will find Family Search in my links list which will give you locations. The records are in Cyrilic and they only have the death records for one year.


Title Maticna knjiga, 1832
Authors Pravoslavna crkva. Zupa Donji Lapac (Main Author)

Note Location
Film
Umrli 1832 FHL INTL Film
1536631 Item 11

Violet would be Ljubica (sounds like lyubeetsa, the lj has the sound of the ill in the word million)

Could the sp be Yila? sounds like eeleeya. There is a record at Ellis Island online for Yila ROSETA Arr May 1911 age 27 married wife in D. Lapac Marija (Maria or Mary) destination Pittsburgh to friend Frank Brozanovic, birthplace D. Lopac

Ellis Is online also has a record for Gavre ROSETA arr 1903 age 42 single from Lapac, Austria, Croatia, destination Sharon PA to brother Lazo ROSETA. The next line up on that ship manifest is ILIYA ROSETA! age 41 single, from Lapac, destination Connelsville PA to friend Gjuro (means George) If you look for the ship manifest for this particular person at the "regular" Ellis Is web page it will say "no image available" but you can find it at the following site, just enter Sept 24, 1903, Frame 581 he is line 17

Hope this helps.

There are records for 42 arr at Ellis Island many from Donji Lapac.

http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html

Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland, Ohio


Re: Rasheta

judith (View posts)
Posted: 16 Jun 2002 4:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello Robert,

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I aslo would like to thank you for the information and directions to continue my search. I am a novice at this search for family history and am a bit overwhelmed. I've also encountered those not really willing to be helpful, so once again, I thank you.

Judith

Re: Rasheta

Posted: 17 Jun 2002 2:18AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 28 Nov 2002 5:11PM GMT
Hello Judith,

My pleasure!

Let me know if I can be of anymore assistance.

Robert Jerin

Re: Rasheta

Helena (View posts)
Posted: 18 Apr 2004 9:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello!
Town called Lika does not exist.Lika is a part of ex Yugoslavia, and it is in its republic Croatia.Lika is Croatias middle part, known also as Lika and Gorski Kotar.If I am wrong,sorry.
Best regards!

Re: Rasheta

Posted: 21 Jul 2011 4:30AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hey Judith, Eli Rasheta is my great grandfather too. Not sure how much info you have gathered this far but Eli had a son Gene Rasheta which is my grandfather, then came my mother and of course, you guessed it, me. Lol I would like to chat with you some time about our family. Your welcome to email me at rednecktex11@yahoo.com or find me on facebook at patrick.j.campbell

Re: Rasheta

Posted: 21 Jul 2011 12:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi rednecktex11

Judith is a bit off on the spelling of the town, Eli was from Donji Lapac, Croatia. This town is near the Bosnian border, Donji means lower. The town played a part in the defense of Europe from further Turkish invation, as it was part of Croatia which the Austrians liberated from the Turks in the 1700s. The Serbs arrived as refugees from areas to the south and east, along with Vlachs. The people were given a free status (that is they were not under any Lord) no taxes. The men were border gaurds, called Granicari, a term which is found for most men in church records. I have been to that general area on my yearly Heritage tours and have seen many of the records, although not for Donji Lapac.

I notice you don't have Gertrude's maiden name in your tree. Here is the Indiana Marriage record for them in 1919

Name: Elie G. Rasheta
Spouse Name: Gertrude Fischer
Marriage Date: 16 May 1919
Marriage County: Lake
Source Title 1: Lake County Indiana
Source Title 2: Index to Marriage Record 1850 - 1920 Inclusive Vol
Source Title 3: W. P. A. Original Record Located: County Clerk's O
Book: 35
OS Page: 495

And from Cook Co IL Death records
Gertrude Rasheta 1 Aug 1986 Cook County, IL

And Eli's Soc Sec Death index record
Elie Rasheta
Birth date 2 Aug 1894
Death Date Feb 1969
Last payments made at Saint John, Lake, Indiana

Be aware there is also another Ely RASHETA who lived in Wisconsin

Here is Eli's WW I Draft Record info (all men were required to register, but this does not mean they served in the US military) NOTE Ilija is the correct, original spelling and RASETA has a diacritical mark over the S which gives it the sound of SH

Name: Ilija Raseta
City: East Chicago
County: Lake
State: Indiana
Birthplace: Lika, Austria
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1894
Single
Occupation Chaffeur
Employer Calumet Garage
Date of Registration June 15, 1917
He had at this time Declared his intent to become a US Citizen

And his WW II (Old Man's) Draft Registration
Name: Elie Gavre RASHETA
Birth Date: 2 Aug 1894
Birth Place: Yugoslavia
Residence: St John, Lake, Indiana
Person who will know his address Gertrude RASHETA
Employer Champion Rivet Co.

WW II Draft records show a Michael RASHETA living at Crown Point Ind.

And from his Naturalization Index Card
Name: Ilija Raseta
Birth Date: 13 Jun 1895
Birth Place: Jugoslavia
Age at event: 31
Court District: Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa
Year of Arrival: 1913
Date of Naturalization June 14, 1926

HOWEVER NOTE the different birthdate... this may be the Eli from Wisconsin!

1930 US Census
Name Age
Elia G Rashetta 35 arrival date 1910
Gertrude Rashetta 27
Amelia Rashetta 10
Nicholas Rashetta 8
Eugene Rashetta 1 9/12
Richard A Rashetta 3/12

This *may* be his ship manifest info
Name: Thoje Raseta
Arrival Date: 28 Mar 1911
Age: 18 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Gender: Male
Race: Croatian
Port of Departure: Hamburg, Germany
Ship Name: Ypiranga
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Destination Irwin PA to his cousin Mile Radakovic
Last Residence: Hungary
Birthplace: Dolnje Lapac
Next of kin in old country his father David

I am not familiar with the given name shown on the manifest, perhaps the person who wrote the manifes *at the Port of Hamburg * made an error transcribing the info from Ilija's passport onto the ship manifest.

Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
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