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Border Reiver DNA Project Is Seeking Chisholm Participants

Border Reiver DNA Project Is Seeking Chisholm Participants

James V. Elliott (View posts)
Posted: 11 Jun 2004 8:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: CHISHOLM
Hello,

If you are an adult male paternally descended from the Anglo-Scottish Border family Chisholm, and have ever considered getting your Y chromosome tested, you may do so at a substantial discount by joining the Border Reiver DNA Project at Family Tree DNA.

The Border Reiver DNA Project is a serious genetic and genealogical study started this March by two customers of Family Tree DNA, James V. Elliott and David B. Strong. Although it began as a study of the Elliott Border Reiver family, it has since expanded to include members of other Border Reiver families, including a direct descendant of the legendary Border Reiver, Johnnie Armstrong, a senior officer of the Clan Hall Society, Dixons, Irvings, Kerrs, Littles, Taylors, Carruthers, Davisons, Ogles, Hunters and others. Members of all Border Reiver families are welcome now, and we emphatically encourage your participation.

The home page for our study, which includes many links to other web pages about the Scots, the Britons, the Border Reivers and their ancestors, may be accessed at the URL below:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/elliott...

We are conducting our study of the Border Reiver families using Y chromosome DNA markers, because the Y chromosome is passed, just like a surname, from father to son with very few changes over many generations. That makes these DNA markers an ideal tool for tracing paternal descent and, by extension, the history of families.

The goals of the Border Reiver DNA Project are as follows:

1) James Leyburn, in his excellent book "The Scotch-Irish: A Social History", characterized the ancestry of the Anglo-Scottish Border people as a diverse mixture of Picts, Brythonic Celts, Scotti, Irish Gaels, both Danish and Norwegian Vikings, Angles and Saxons, troops and settlers from all over the Roman Empire - as well as Normans, Flemish and many others. We intend to use Y chromosome analysis to explore the ancestral origin of Border Reiver descendants, both individually (if we can) and as a group. We have already done substantial reading about both the history of Europe and the latest developments in population genetics, and have compiled a database of more than 350 likely Border Reiver descendants obtained from public databases at Family Tree DNA and elsewhere.

The URL below will give you some idea of the extent of our ongoing study:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/dna_by_...

2) The Border Reivers rode during a period of extreme chaos in the history of the Anglo-Scottish Border. Many young mothers were widowed, and many children were orphaned. The social customs of the Reivers, affected by a need for self-reliance and the shifting circumstances of the era, favored trial marriages, and allowed even married women to keep their surnames. The larger Border Reiver clans themselves were like tribes or military units as much as families, and many born with different surnames joined these clans for protection, eventually assuming the clan surname as their own. As a consequence of all these factors, Border Reiver descendants are to this day closely interrelated. Many with different surnames share the same ancestors, and many with the same surname are descended from genetically distinct paternal lines. Our DNA Project seeks to determine the relationships among these descendants, both on an individual and a family level.

The URL below will give you some idea of the families already included in our study:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/dna_by_...

The group rate for joining the Border Reiver DNA Project is 99 USD for a 12 marker Y chromosome test, or 169 USD for a 25 marker test. The 12 marker test easily suffices to determine your "deep ancestry", and can provide enough data to suggest a shared paternal ancestry within the last 14 or 15 generations. The 25 marker test, more favored by DNA genealogists, can identify a shared paternal ancestry within the last 7 generations.

These group rates represent a substantial savings over the cost of joining Family Tree alone. For instance, the cost of getting the 12 marker test is nearly 40 percent less than what I paid for the same test last summer. Once you join our group, you will have full privileges as a Family Tree DNA customer. Family Tree DNA will store your genetic material with absolute privacy and security for twenty years, and will publish information about your Y chromosome markers, their likely ethnic origin, and the e-mail addresses of exact matches, on your own personal, password-protected web page. In addition, all other DNA tests you wish to order will be available to you at a considerable discount.

Despite the foregoing discussion of cost, this is a serious study, not a commercial venture. If you are interested in joining us, or would simply like more info, please contact James V. Elliott at jvance@tiac.net.

Sincerely,

James V. Elliott
Group Administrator
Elliott (And Border Reivers) DNA Project

Re: Border Reiver DNA Project Is Seeking Chisholm Participants

Posted: 6 Jan 2007 7:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Border Chisholm(e)s
Hi James,
A specific Chisholm surname project has been commenced at FTDNA, and the first two participants are both Highlanders. As soon as one of our Border cousins enrols , I will direct him to your project.
regards
Robert Chisholm
Asst PA for Chisholm surname project

Re: Border Reiver DNA Project Is Seeking Chisholm Participants

Posted: 27 Feb 2007 4:16AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Jim
We now have a definite Borderer enrolled in the Chisholm surname project, with last known ancestor being born in Oxnam near Jedburgh in 1720. In addition we have one Northumbrian who is most likely descended from the Border Chisholmes. I will let the participant know once the results start cming out.
I have been searching for any Chisholme link to the Reivers, and quite understandably nobody seems to have left any advert that they were involved these types of activities. However there is plenty of reason to think that they if any Chisholme had any involvement, it would have been done under the wing of the Scotts.Chisholme estate backed on to Branxholme House, and many of the other famous Scott subfamilies such as Harden were nearby. There were lots oof marriages into the Scotts,there is written proof that Chisholme was with Scott at the battle of Melrose,and The Chisholme is also involved with Scott of Harden in the Cranston affair, per Sir Walter Scotts Lay of the Last Minstrel. Would you have any closer knowledge of any Chisholme involvement in Reiver activities, any hangings at Carlisle etc. While I know that this alliance with Scott maes us immediatey at odds with the Kerrs,I can't remember if the Elliots were also in that category vis a vis Scott.
If so, I trust that wont stop you providing any info you might have, or preclude you from accepting two of our number into your Reiver group. And if they turn out to have DNA similar to mine then its just as well that you included the words... and many others, when describing the ethnic make up of the borders, as my DNA, unique in Scotand so far, and extremely rare in Britain as a whole, has got the signature of the Sardinian offshoot of Haplgroup I
Regards
Robert Chisholm

Re: Border Reiver DNA Project Is Seeking Chisholm Participants

Posted: 1 Mar 2007 1:49AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Chisholm
Robert,

Thanks for the info about your Chisholm participants. Let me know when their results come in. Better yet, enter them in Ysearch. Chisholm is a common surname in the Borders region, so any male Chisholm is potentially eligible for our project.

Sincerely,

Jim Elliott
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