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Re: 1911 Census - Ancestry.co.uk

ggjuk — 2009-11-17 15:47:04Z

I'm not sure what the question is you want answers too. If it is 'should I stay or should I go?' then I think only you can really answer the question.

If you go to the site with the 1911 census I believe you will find they still haven't completed the earlier censuses (though I think they are nearly there) which may or may not be a problem for you. You wont have the LMA if that is important to you, you wont have complete transcriptions of the BMD indices if those are important to you. There may be other databases that Ancestry has that you'll no longer have access to. On the other hand they may have other databases that are of interest to you such as the NBI or overseas and armed forces BMD.

The 1911 census will almost certainly appear on Ancestry eventually, just as it will appear on other sites which also have their own unique selling points. No one site has it all. You just have to decide where to spend your money and when.

Re: 1911 Census - Ancestry.co.uk

RonaldLankshear — 2009-11-16 23:20:23Z

2012 unless they can pull rabbit out of the hat

But depends on your research area - if London well stay

Re: 1911 Census - Ancestry.co.uk

BobNY — 2009-11-16 04:55:26Z

It is very difficult to give answers in the absence of a question.

Re: 1911 Census - Ancestry.co.uk

AnthonyWells524 — 2009-11-16 00:26:31Z

I am thinking of leaving as ancestry does not do 1911
census any answers plase.?

Re: England and Wales criminal records

eileenblacklock — 2009-11-09 15:54:17Z

Thank you so much, I do have premium membership but can never find anything!

Re: England and Wales criminal records

bromaelor — 2009-11-09 15:27:55Z

Do you mean:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1590

If so you will need Premium Membership to view them!

England and Wales criminal records

eileenblacklock — 2009-11-08 22:19:38Z

According to the mag 'Who do you think you are'the criminal records have recently been uploaded onto this site. Am I the only one who can never find reconds on here? There does not appear to be any proper search facility. Help please!

Re: Why is ancestry.co.uk So Slow?

Gaherian — 2009-11-08 19:43:41Z

My pc definitely isn't the problem, neither is my ISP. It is only ancestry.co.uk that is painfully slow on occasions, and other sites are fine. I particularly notice a problem when right clicking to "open in a new tab". That often just results in the "waiting for ..." message.

Re: family tree

bromaelor — 2009-11-08 16:13:17Z

I think you've posted to the wrong board? Try the England, Cambridgeshire board at:

http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.cam....

and give a bit more detail about what you are looking for.

Re: Why is ancestry.co.uk So Slow?

mi2early — 2009-11-08 16:01:07Z

I've had no problems. Sounds like a problem with your own PC or your ISP. Good luck!

Why is ancestry.co.uk So Slow?

Gaherian — 2009-11-08 05:00:20Z

Recently, meaning within the last week, ancestry.co.uk has become impossibly slow. Sometimes a page won't load, even leaving my pc for several hours. I come back and still see "Waiting for search.ancestry.co.uk". An ancestry subscription is by no means cheap, and now I find that I can't even do searches most of the time.

I am also a WAP keyer, and have been unable to do searches to help me determine that I have interpreted the handwriting in British Postal Records correctly.

Can something please be done about fixing this problem?

family tree

george_dobbs — 2009-11-06 16:49:50Z

family originate from littleport in cambs

family tree

george_dobbs — 2009-11-06 16:45:05Z

family originate from littleport in cambs

Re: Help please

RonaldLankshear — 2009-11-05 08:37:57Z

1881 census has address search

For other census TNA have a new project to provide reference details and then you come back to Ancestry and enter the folio etc at bottom of an Old search census panel

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=...

Help please

ocmeg — 2009-11-04 22:01:34Z

How do you do an address search on here, someone told me that its been added. I cant find it please can anyone tell me. am looking for 1901 morden avenue, windsor terrace ashton in makerfield. its now called just morden avenue so it may have been just windsor terrace or both...looking for no 38 hurst john born 1847 and any fosters no 58.

Re: STOP GUESSING - HERE IS ANCESTRY'S ONLY COMMENT ON THE ISSUE

pjbuk007 — 2009-11-01 22:52:30Z

Are we really not allowed to mention ANOTHER site?

I will try - there are two sites, the 1911 census site, and FMP, where the 1911 is available. The two sites have slightly different payment schemes and search functions. They are run by the same outfit.

Re: STOP GUESSING - HERE IS ANCESTRY'S ONLY COMMENT ON THE ISSUE

kathybinns — 2009-10-31 11:27:36Z

If you are unwilling to wait for Ancestry to launch the 1911 census - it is now available in a '1911 census only' SUBSCRIPTION on that site you mention. 6 months can be purchased. Works out better value than pay-as-you-view if you need to view more than a few images.
I agree the London Met Archives now online at Ancestry are a fantastic resource.

STOP GUESSING - HERE IS ANCESTRY'S ONLY COMMENT ON THE ISSUE

BobNY — 2009-10-31 03:55:07Z

The 1911 Census is currently only available via a pay-per-view agreement on the 1911 Census website.

Ancestry.co.uk is keen to offer members the richest and most diverse range of family history content available and has begun to discuss with The National Archives the possibility of securing a license to offer our own online access to the 1911 Census in the near future.

As part of our ongoing commitment to providing our members with the richest and most diverse set of historical records, in a world first Ancestry.co.uk will shortly launch online the collection of the London Metropolitan Archives, which predates civil registration in 1837 and date as far back as the 1500s.

Date Created: 01/14/2009 02:50 PM, Updated: 08/06/2009 12:35 PM

Re: 1911 Census - Ancestry.co.uk

ggjuk — 2009-10-30 17:21:35Z

I've been doing a bit of poking around the net and it is claimed in one place that Ancestry are now in discussions with The National Archives about providing access to the census. Elsewhere it seems to be suggested that the existing scanned images are indeed available to Ancestry and others, albeit for a price, and then it would seem to be down to Ancestry to provide their own indexes, and then get a licence to make them available online.

A six months exclusive licence doesn't seem a particularly good deal to me, though I guess it helps that there was five months between initial launch and completion, and I suppose it does make the ridiculously high prices easier to understand.

Re: 1911 Census - Ancestry.co.uk

bromaelor — 2009-10-30 12:02:25Z

Repeating a previous posting (again) ......

"The exclusive licence granted to 1911census.co.uk only lasts for 6 months from the final content launch - after that other providers will be able to provide online access to the 1911 census at more affordable rates".

That six months period is now drawing to a close!

Re: 1911 Census - Ancestry.co.uk

ggjuk — 2009-10-28 17:18:06Z

The 1911 census is indeed now being made available on a subscription basis on another site (I believe we aren't supposed to mention it by name), having had it available on PAYG for some time (the best known URL for the 1911 census is basically the same site). They will have some exclusive rights to it for some period of time. Exactly what those rights are and how long they last I don't know.

I am sure Ancestry will give access to the 1911 census eventually, just as they (and the other site) eventually made the 1901 census available after it was initially exclusively available elsewhere. I can imagine that the deal with the existing 1911 site might have been that they produced the scans at their own cost in return for a period of exclusivity in which to recoup their costs (and then some), but then the scans get made available to their competitors like Ancestry. However even if they don't have to repeat that massive job they'll no doubt have to produce their own transcription and that is quite a big effort too.

I would have thought that we are talking 2012 before Ancestry can make it available and then I'd imagine it would be part of the basic subscription. Since Ancestry pulled out of the bidding to produce the census because they didn't think it was that important in the scheme of things (and I certainly find having the LMA and transcriptions of BMD is far more useful than the 1911 census) I can't imagine they will release it at any premium.

1911 Census - Ancestry.co.uk

Carrie2161 — 2009-10-28 14:59:32Z

Sorry I haven't read the other 63 posts but I have been sent an e-mail today by another family history website saying the 1911 census is now ready to be viewed at a price on their site! Did we come to a conclusion as to whether ancestry.co.uk will be offering it and how much will it cost? If it will be 2012 I may as well pay for it on the other site?

xx

Re: 1911 Census - Ancestry.co.uk

RonaldLankshear — 2009-10-24 06:59:01Z

The best we know is 2012.
The other people have exclusive rights - same way Ancestry has LMA etc etc

Ancestry WARNING!

leonado21 — 2009-10-21 12:11:19Z

As I don't have vast research to do, I have used Pay-as-you-go to access this site. This has been fine, untill recently when ancestry seemed to have stopped access to records previously saved to your shoebox, after all your credits are used.
As I have already payed to view these records IN THE FIRST PLACE, I think its very greedy of them to charge again if you want to view records previously payed for, and saved to your own shoebox. In the past this was not so. This is a recent change for the worst. So it now means every record you may wish to keep, needs downloading. BE WARNED! If accessing via Pay As You Go.

Re: 1911 Census - Ancestry.co.uk

bandamh1 — 2009-10-20 20:02:26Z

Are we going to be able to view the 1911 census through ancestry.co.uk and if so, when?

Re: 1911 census

KChristian0178 — 2009-10-11 10:41:55Z

Manchester Library would be the closest for me but I prefer to do my research where possible from home as I don't have very good health.

I agree it's great when you can share info. with family - I do manage to do that with a distant cousin which is great!!

Re: Missing parish registers from Southwark St Saviours, Surrey

robertsterry24 — 2009-10-11 05:42:15Z

I guess Ancestry have a quite few things to correct but admittedly parishes in London get pretty confusing and they were probably in a hurry to get it all online as quickly as possible. What they have done - despite the errors - is a remarkable achievement. Perhaps they should involve the LMA staff more in fine tuning their online version!?

Ancestry did actually reply to my post on another matter, and suggested I direct any corrections for the LMA parishes to support@ancestry.com.au

I will do so in future.

Thanks for your help

Robert

Re: 1911 census

pjbuk007 — 2009-10-10 14:43:06Z

adamsfamily1 - it is not the Government milking the punters which has caused Ancestry to not have the 1911; it is Brightsolid/FMP recouping the money they spent on getting it all scanned etc.

Ancestry is about the most commercial company out. They choose not to continue bidding, and they have no god-given right to have all the databases in the world.

It is what happens when everything is privatized - see how sport including England football matches has disappeared from terrestrial TV.

Re: 1911 census

KChristian0178 — 2009-10-10 13:06:07Z

Here's Ancestry's response of 8th October 2009 (not very helpful I'm afraid):-
"The 1911 Census is currently only available via a pay-per-view agreement on the 1911 Census website.

Ancestry.co.uk is keen to offer members the richest and most diverse range of family history content available and has begun to discuss with The National Archives the possibility of securing a license to offer our own online access to the 1911 Census in the near future.

As part of our ongoing commitment to providing our members with the richest and most diverse set of historical records, in a world first Ancestry.co.uk will shortly launch online the collection of the London Metropolitan Archives, which predates civil registration in 1837 and date as far back as the 1500s."

Re: Missing parish registers from Southwark St Saviours, Surrey

RonaldLankshear — 2009-10-09 21:16:57Z

I was just looking at index saying St Mary Ealing and it was All Souls St Mary le bone

Re: Missing parish registers from Southwark St Saviours, Surrey

adamsfamily1 — 2009-10-09 19:19:08Z

this is not the only data that is missed indexed. lambeth has been listed under middlesex instead of surrey!

Re: accessing records on 1911 census

adamsfamily1 — 2009-10-09 19:02:34Z

try just searching for the first name or second name (not both at the same time) an area and a bith date with a couple of years either side. fiddle around in this way and if you still cant find them then concider that they died ,moved or emigrated or did not takepart in the census. i spent a couple of hours looking for my greatgrandfather jesse ruffles b 1850 living in brixton from bacton only to find that he had been transcribed as george raffel born 1849 so a little bit of hunting and latral thinking and you might find them.

Re: !911 census

adamsfamily1 — 2009-10-09 18:44:38Z

its a real shame that we are going to have to wait for the 1911 census to be up here on ancestry but you know as well as i the government will milk the 1911 for as long as they can. only when intrest starts to fall as it did with the 1901 will they let others onto the band wagon.

mean while i know this is not the soulotion for all but if you live near a center such as the family history centre or the sog in london (i am lucky i know living in london) who offer free access then take advantage. (find out if your lib' does)

the other thing you could do is if more than one of you in your family are tracing your ancestors then one of you could take out a sub for findmypast and the other for ancestry then give each other a visit/call and both of you can take advantage of both sites. it works well for my sister and i this way as we can compare notes. if one of you find something on one site the other can look on the other after all two heads are better than one. and whats a cost of a phone call between family. and family is important to us after all!

Re: !911 census

RonaldLankshear — 2009-10-09 11:59:26Z

2012

fmp have an exclusive

Re: 1911 census

KChristian0178 — 2009-10-09 10:34:38Z

I spent more than £60 getting my immediate ancestors' households earlier this year and I found them all quite easily. I could kick myself now that I didn't wait for the annual membership. I'm not normally impatient, that'll teach me!

Re: 1911 census

RonaldLankshear — 2009-10-07 22:58:57Z

2012 will be the answer - just a faint possibility 2011.

and suppose they will have to re-scan and index

An FMP subscription with 1911 extra sounds expensive to me - unless you see lots and lots of people you want to see. Just grandparents etc then credits might be cheaper

Mind you if folk are not easily found in current search it may take looking at images before they are found for sure

Re: 1911 census

KChristian0178 — 2009-10-06 21:39:27Z

Thanks for replying. I've e-mailed Ancestry today to see if they can give me any information, especially with the Findmypast membership starting later this month.

I'll post their response here for others to see.

Re: !911 census

pjbuk007 — 2009-10-06 17:09:26Z

I think that it will be at least several years and at most very many before Ancestry gets the UK 1911 Census.

Ancestry decided to pull out of the negotiations, as stated above ("will not add much..."). It all depends - the 1911 has broken down two brick walls for me.

Ancestry's stance seems odd, as it is nearly ten years on from us all going ape over the 1901.

Re: accessing records on 1911 census

CarolColeman8353 — 2009-10-06 13:00:04Z

The reference numbers used in 1901 have no bearing whatsoever on the ones they used in 1911.

Carol

Re: !911 census

KChristian0178 — 2009-10-06 09:07:51Z

Now subscription 1911C is being made available by Findmypast later this month, we need to know whether to join them, or wait until Ancestry get it. Surely Ancestry could release how their "talks" with the National Archives are getting on? They've been having them since January 2009!! Anybody heard anything?

I'm already an Ancestry member and it'd just be my luck to pay for Findmypast membership and then for Ancestry to announce its release on their site.

Re: accessing records on 1911 census

bromaelor — 2009-10-04 15:12:18Z

Where are you searching the 1911 census?
From my experience the 1911 census on brightsolid is riddled with spelling mistakes which make searching difficult. Try searching for an address instead of a name.

accessing records on 1911 census

ju1963ne — 2009-10-04 14:00:27Z

I have spent all day trying to find ancestors whose dates of birth marriage and address are known to me in 1901 and cannot access them in 1911. What am I doning wrong. I have tried entering the GR nos from 1901 without success also.

Re: Missing parish registers from Southwark St Saviours, Surrey

robertsterry24 — 2009-10-04 03:05:10Z

Found it! Many thanks. Two of the blocks of parishes are located under Saint Saviour, Southwark and all the rest under Saint Saviour. Just a bit of misindexing of course. I'm sure Ancestry will fix it eventually.

Apart from this small problem, I'm hugely impressed with what Ancestry has done with the LMA records. Absolutely brilliant.

Again, huge thanks to you for your assistance.

Re: Missing parish registers from Southwark St Saviours, Surrey

RonaldLankshear — 2009-10-04 02:43:05Z

Go back to the list of churches in Southwark
You are are looking at the first one
Try the 3rd one

Saint Saviour
Saint Saviour, Denmark Park
Saint Saviour, Southwark

Help desk replies can be some time....

Re: Missing parish registers from Southwark St Saviours, Surrey

robertsterry24 — 2009-10-04 00:10:21Z

Thank you Ronald for replying to my message. However, you are seeing something that I can't. In my view there are no parish entries for Southwark St Saviours for 1674-1704. There is a gap between 1653-1673 and 1705-1713.

I'm baffled how you can see a view that I can't.

By the way, it's been two weeks since I sent this query directly to Ancestry. I only used the Message Board because they hadn't replied. I guess their promise of replying within a couple of days doesn't mean much.

Re: Missing parish registers from Southwark St Saviours, Surrey

RonaldLankshear — 2009-10-03 22:26:07Z

Have you looked at
# London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538–1812 - New

There is not a name search you have to browse images but clicking through Southwark and then St Saviours I see
Please choose :
1673-1705
1705-1713

and there are 336 pages in 1673-1705

PS actual ancestry do not seem to respond to this message board nowadays

Re: 1911 Census - Ancestry.co.uk

gmmassey_1 — 2009-10-03 21:32:07Z

Also had problems finding my Uncle on 1911 Census, he was born in Dagnall Bucks, but on the 1911 census form he had written Devonshire, Dagnall, so consequently didn't come up as Dagnall Bucks,but as Devonshire Dagnall, can only assume that he lived in a road called Devonshire. When you get all records for the name search you will have to check then all to see if the same thing has occurred in your case. Tried to get this entry altered by Census 1911 to correct place of birth, but they would not alter it.

Good researching - don't give up hope.

Missing parish registers from Southwark St Saviours, Surrey

robertsterry24 — 2009-10-01 07:00:46Z

It's wonderful to be able to access these original records online at last. However, the records for the particular period in which I am interested are not listed as available: 1674-1704.

Since all the other records are available for this parish and I know these particular records exist and can be accessed at the LMA - in fact I was looking at some from this very period only a few weeks ago - I'm hoping they will become available soon.

Can anyone form Ancestry please advise? Many thanks
Robert Sterry

Re: View rest of the page

martinbriscoe57 — 2009-09-19 07:05:27Z

It only seems to have happened on 1871 so probably a mistake by Ancestry.

I can't remember whether I reported it to them, perhaps do so again.

MB

Re: View rest of the page

ggjuk — 2009-09-19 00:05:39Z

When using Ancestry via FTM it used to be necessary to use the 'View others on page' link to select the record for another member of the household as just clicking on a name didn't update the record that FTM would use for a web merge. This is no longer the case with the 1871 census which now works with FTM as one would hope it would.

I suspect the 'View others on page' has been removed because they think they've fixed a bug and no longer need it, forgetting what it was there for in the first place and that not everyone uses FTM either. Either that or they think the new multi-pane display for the census image replaces it. They'd be wrong as very few links on that new style page actually work properly.